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The United States withdrew from Iraq on September 30 at the request of the sovereign Iraqi government. It was the second time that the US has ended a war in Iraq since the 2003 invasion. The pullout — necessary and overdue — won’t bring much relief for Iraq, which is buckling under pressure from America’s latest war, against Iran, and the pressure cooker of militias that operate beyond state control.

On this episode of the Order from Ashes podcast two authorities on Iraq and Afghanistan assess how America has gone about ending its forever wars. Fotini Christia is a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and has done fieldwork in both countries. Sajad Jiyad is a fellow at the Center for International policy based in Baghdad.

In ending some of its wars while starting others, has the US created conditions for future conflict and power vacuums, adding to the harms caused during its wars and occupations? Is there a better way to leave, or should we expect the end of US wars to be as messy as their onset? In what condition are the states that emerged from US occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Guests

Fotini Christia is a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Sajad Jiyad is a senior non-resident fellow at the Center for International policy based in Baghdad.

Hosts

Rohan Advani is a non-resident fellow at the Center for International Policy and a junior research fellow at the Crown Center for Middle East Studies at Brandeis University.

Thanassis Cambanis is vice president for research at the Center for International Policy.

Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2026

Episode: Order from Ashes 120

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