The Caretaker Children's Minister is adamant youth bootcamps are worth it.
A briefing obtained by Newstalk ZB shows no participants in the second pilot have gone on to re-offend, after seven out of ten in the first iteration allegedly did.
However, Oranga Tamariki is looking at a less intensive programme in future after staff complaints of fatigue.
Karen Chhour told Mike Hosking the bootcamps represent a last chance for these young people.
She says for far too long, they've been sent to youth justice facilities as a holding pen for corrections.
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