Journalist Abbie Rosner spent several years interviewing thirty-six older adults, most in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, about psychedelic experiences they had quietly, outside the clinic. She and Richard talk about elderhood, conscious aging, what changes when these medicines meet a long life rather than a young one, a disagreement over when "elder" begins, and her pilot vision for small, committed cohorts of older adults growing old together on purpose.
Guest: Abbie Rosner, journalist. Author of Psychedelics and the Counterculture of Aging (Park Street Press, 2026, foreword by Dr. Julie Holland). Writes The ELDEREVOLUTION on Substack and a Next Avenue column. abbierosner.com
00:00 The epidemic of isolation
01:45 Conscious aging, what's on Abbie's mind
05:28 What aging actually is, body vs. spirit
10:14 The opportunity of older life, going inward
12:24 The fragility question, screening older adults
15:34 How older adults approach psychedelics today
20:00 Who is drawn to this work, seekers
21:20 Am I an elder at 60, the Julie Holland exchange
27:04 Inside the book, 36 interviews and a book tour
33:11 Elder Vision Circles
38:44 Close
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