Karen, Jesse, and Lou review The Expanse season 4, episode 4 "Retrograde," focusing on Murtry as a cruel, cowardly bully who uses "justice" as an excuse to kill settlers, and on Lucia's reveal that she helped sabotage Murtry's shuttle despite claiming she never meant anyone to die. They discuss Naomi protecting Lucia and making it back to the Roci, Holden's standoff that exposes Murtry's cowardice, and Amos taking a brutal beating to buy time, including Chandra seemingly covering for him. The panel also touches on Okoye and Dr. Sark's quiet disapproval of Murtry, Avasarala's political trouble on Earth amid debates over opening the ring worlds, Bobbie quitting after being pushed toward corruption before agreeing to work with criminals, and Marco's OPA interrogation ending with a controversial vote to release him.
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