What does it take to challenge the rules everyone else accepts? In this episode of Flying Solo, Cec Busby speaks with Avril Henry, who left apartheid South Africa at 22 with two suitcases and $500, then built a career advising business leaders, public servants, diplomats, and major Australian institutions.
Avril Henry shares how questioning authority shaped her life, why women are labelled “difficult” when they stand their ground, and how preparation, evidence, and influence can turn uncomfortable questions into meaningful change.
The conversation covers paid maternity leave, gender equity, imposter syndrome, negotiating your worth, and the importance of taking up space and standing your ground. As Avril puts it, “Do not make yourself small to make other people feel comfortable”
Key topics
Avril Henry's early life in South Africa and her anti-apartheid activism
The importance of questioning authority and challenging societal norms
The role of influence and soft skills in leadership and change management
Myths about women in leadership and how to bust them
The impact of preparation, research, and confidence in negotiations and influence
The significance of empathy, emotional intelligence, and human connection in future leadership
Time-stamped overview
00:00 Introduction and Avril's background
01:56 Growing up in South Africa and early influences
03:56 The 76 riots and activism against apartheid
07:00 Leaving South Africa and migrating to Australia
08:58 Questioning authority and societal norms
11:02 Change management and influence tactics
14:10 Dealing with being called difficult or disruptive
16:01 The importance of preparation and research
19:00 Impact of data and facts in influencing decision-makers
21:57 Myths about women in leadership roles
26:00 The future of leadership and soft skills
35:57 Leveraging soft skills and emotional intelligence
41:01 The role of AI and human connection
42:52 Advice for women who want to be more assertive
45:00 The importance of self-belief and mentorship
47:56 Closing thoughts and Avril's memoir
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