In this episode of the podcast, host Kevin Gosztola is joined by Chip Gibbons to discuss Donald Trump, Project 2025, and what Trump's election means for journalists and their sources in U.S. government agencies.

Chip is the policy director for Defending Rights and Dissent and the author of the (very) forthcoming book "The Imperial Bureau" from Verso Books. It draws from FBI records obtained through numerous freedom of information requests.

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