In this episode Jonathan Helser talks with Pete about what happens when songs written out of your own wounds get absorbed into an industry that wants a formula. They get into comparison — the slow poison of checking your streams against a friend's — and whether you can still sing a worship song written by someone whose politics you find anathema. Helser talks about Brennan Manning, who relapsed, didn't finish well, and still wrote the truest things he's read about grace. He also says the most important thing that happens in prayer is letting yourself be loved, not proving anything to God.
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