New York Times bestselling author Jennifer Hillier joins me for a conversation about her newest thriller, Heart of Glass, the darkness behind her stories, and what it really takes to write characters who are capable of terrible things.

Jennifer talks about returning to the world of Wonderland, writing morally complicated women, our fascination with true crime, and the uncomfortable question at the center of so many great thrillers: how well can we ever really know another person?

We talk twists, creating believable villains, the evolution of her career, the pressure of keeping readers guessing, and what it felt like to become a New York Times bestseller.

Dark, psychological, a little unhinged, and full of behind-the-scenes insight into the mind of one of thriller fiction’s most compelling authors.

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