What do dying people fear most? This week on Good Grief, Amanda sits down with ceremonial death midwife Barbie Herron Conkling for a conversation that will change how you think about death, grief and closure. Barbie shares what she’s learned sitting with hundreds of dying people, how she supports families through the final hours of life, and why she says most people aren't afraid of dying- they're afraid of leaving people behind. Amanda and Barbie also uncover an unexpected bond from their time at Cedars-Sinai, and Barbie opens up about losing her son Lyon and the beautiful nine-hour vigil and ceremony they held for him. Plus, you’ll hear personal stories from Amanda and Barbie about knowing when someone’s soul has left, and the 5 essential phrases for closure. We explore what happens in the last 24 hours of life, the difference between a death doula and hospice, signs like energy bursts and visitations, and how to support someone who is dying while caring for those left behind. 

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