In this conversation, Brian Johnson reflects on twenty-five years of worship, writing, and raising up teams at Bethel Music alongside his wife Jen. He opens up about chasing "the God ideas" that surface in worship rather than forcing songs, why he stepped away from Instagram for the better part of a year, and his conviction that the songs worth writing are the eternal ones, the kind people could sing a hundred years ago or a hundred years from now. This episode will challenge you to write from overflow rather than react to culture, to tell the difference between healthy excellence and identity-crushing perfectionism, and to step into the things you're not yet good at, because that's often how God releases something in others.

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