In this episode, Kim Isenberg and Peter Thum sit down with DataCamp co-founder and CEO Jonathan Cornelissen and Chief AI Officer Yusuf Saber to explore how generative AI is transforming education and professional learning.

They discuss the development of DataCamp’s AI Tutor, how the company evaluates open-source models against proprietary frontier systems, and what it takes to turn rapidly improving AI capabilities into a reliable product for millions of learners.

Yusuf also shares lessons from building Optima, the AI-native learning platform acquired by DataCamp, while Jonathan explains how AI is changing DataCamp’s product strategy and the future of online education.

Topics include:

• Open-source models versus frontier models
• Building and evaluating AI tutors
• Personalization in online education
• Reliability, cost, and model selection
• DataCamp’s acquisition of Optima
• How AI is changing the way people learn

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