I bought two books in 2019 – one on carnivore, one on plant-based. My conclusion? They're both right, and both wrong. This conversation with Joel Greene finally explains why.

Joel brings a framework I haven't heard anywhere else: four forces – accumulation, attenuation, compensation and degradation – that quietly turn the diet that once fixed you into the one that breaks you. We get into insulin, cholesterol over a lifetime, gut health, rhythmic pulsing instead of daily supplements, meal timing, protein maxing and his honest take on GLP-1 drugs.

I went in hoping to finally land my own way of eating. I came out with better questions – and a much clearer map.

Joel Greene is the author of The Way and the founder of VEEP Nutrition.

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