Award-winning musician Joe Goodkin speaks with Sebastian about his life as a modern day Homeric bard, touring the world performing music inspired by The Odyssey and The Iliad, and how he evolved from a moderate runner into an ultramarathoner, running races 50 and 100 miles long. He reveals which distance he thinks is the hardest - it’s not the one you’d think! - why he doesn’t listen to music when running, and he and Sebastian discuss their favorite music biographies. Plus, the episode features songs from Joe’s albums The Odyssey: Songs of Odysseus; and Winedark Life.

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