Carl Chinn is joined by educator, speaker, community activist and inspirational founder of the Gorniak Method, Toby Gorniak MBE, who grew up in Poland one of the stigmatised Roma community before arriving in Britain as a teenager seeking safety and a new beginning.


They talk about Toby’s childhood experiences of discrimination and violence, the strength of family and importance of Roma culture, arriving in England as a refugee, and discovering purpose through dance, education and community work.


Toby also reflects on the transformative meeting with his wife, becoming a father himself, and how his experiences have shaped the work he now does helping young people and communities build confidence, resilience and belief in themselves.


This is a conversation about identity, belonging, kindness and the power of choosing hope and positive action in the face of adversity and prejudice.

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