This episode is for founders, operators, and anyone rebuilding an identity after a chapter of life ends. Deon Gouws, Chief Investment Officer at Credo in London, and Alistair Hargreaves, former Springbok and Saracens captain turned Wolf Pack co-founder, sit down with Justinus and Flip to talk about judgement under pressure and reinvention without a script. The core tension: rugby careers and investment careers both come with hard-won instincts, but neither guarantees you'll succeed the moment you step outside the environment that built them. From a stadium beer ban to the 2008 financial crisis to a concussion that ended a professional career, this is a conversation about building good judgement when certainty isn't available.

Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:49 Favourite Springbok Memories 08:29 Family, Fathers and the Game 09:54 Alistair's Springbok Memories 14:04 Growing Up Together in SA Rugby 17:34 The Concussion Decision 20:42 Building a Culture That Puts People First 23:56 From Cambridge to Credo 30:20 How Deon and Alistair Became Friends 34:53 The Myth of Transferable Skills 38:01 Building Wolf Pack From Scratch 47:04 Lessons From 2008 and Covid 51:00 Building a South Africa That Works for Everyone 55:00 World Cup 2027 and Sign Off

Winning The Away Game is brought to you by The Lekker Network. The Lekker Network brings together South Africa's top entrepreneurs, executives, innovators, and everyday people from all over the world to connect, engage, support, do business with each other, and create lasting impact. Find out more at https://thelekkernetwork.com/

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