Cindy Cohn spent decades at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) fighting for digital rights, including taking on the NSA's mass surveillance program. Now, as AI reshapes the internet, she's sounding the alarm again. In this episode, Cohn joins host Emily Dreyfuss to talk about why the copyright lawsuits against AI companies are the wrong fight, why privacy harms are the real threat but are much harder to litigate, and what it would actually take to protect your rights in the age of ChatGPT and Claude. She also explains why the government and corporate surveillance are not separate problems, and why the number-one buyer of data broker information in the U.S. is the federal government itself. If you use AI tools and care about your privacy, this conversation is essential listening.

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