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In this episode of Nullpunkt, I speak with the sociologist and genocide scholar Martin Shaw, who was one of the first genocide researchers to publicly argue that Israel's assault on Gaza constituted genocide in the immediate aftermath of October 7, 2023.

We discuss what it actually means to call Gaza a genocide, why so many scholars and institutions were reluctant to do so, and how the past three years have reshaped the field of genocide studies itself.

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