Travis Kalanick tells Ben Horowitz why the next great startup wave is about moving from bits to atoms—and automating the physical world. In the full a16z Podcast conversation, now distilled into a short recap, they cover industrial AI, robotics, food production, mining automation, leadership, meritocracy, and the culture required to build hard things. Travis explains how software, sensors, and AI could reshape transportation, logistics, and manufacturing, while Ben presses on urgency, resilience, and the risks of getting comfortable. You’ll also hear Travis reflect on how he’s changed since Uber and why free expression and a changing media landscape matter for founders building the future. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.
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