‘Them Before Us’ founder and president Katy Faust joins the show to talk about the fight for the right of children to have access to their biological parents. Divorce, gay marriage, surrogacy, IVF…Katy argues these are all constructs that put the needs of children last while elevating the comfort of adults. 

Was gay marriage a slippery slope? Is there a way to divorce that can actually help a child rather than harming him/her? What’s the big deal about surrogacy?

Kira and Katy have thoughtful and sometimes uncomfortable discussion about the comforts of adulthood versus the needs of children. Don’t miss this episode. It will change how you think about family from this point forward.

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