Women are often told that getting married, moving abroad, or growing up means leaving old friendships behind. But what does it actually take to sustain a 20-year bond through distance, life transitions, PhDs and marriages?

In this episode of Those Avoided Topics, Ibtisam sits down with her lifelong friend, Dr. Mwanarusi (Luchi), to have the friendship conversations we rarely hear out loud. From initially disliking each other in high school to navigating long-distance across New York and Kenya.They break down the raw reality of keeping adult female friendships alive ,without the toxic societal myths.

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