What happens between Sunday morning and Monday morning? For most Christians, there's a significant gap, and it's costing them in the workplace. 

In this episode, we sit down with Matt Rusten, President of Made to Flourish and author of the new book Pastoring for Monday, to talk about one of the most overlooked areas of discipleship in the local church: work.


In this episode, you'll learn:

  • The current state of faith and work discipleship in local churches — and the three most common gaps
  • Why most pastors resist adding "one more thing" — and how to reframe the conversation
  • How Made to Flourish comes alongside churches through ideas, training, and multiplying leaders
  • And more!


⏱️Chapters

00:00 — The Sunday-to-Monday Gap: Why Most Christians Feel Alone at Work 

01:02 — Introducing Matt Rusten & Pastoring for Monday 

03:08 — The Current State of Faith & Work in the Local Church 

05:28 — Why Pastors Resist (And How to Change the Conversation) 

09:24 — What Is Made to Flourish? Ideas, Training & Multiplying Leaders 

14:20 — What Happens When a Church Says Yes to Workplace Discipleship 

18:29 — The "Missionary Elevation" Problem & How It Hurts Workers in the Pew

20:10 — How Work Spiritually Forms Us (Including Through Struggle) 

22:16 — Matt's Five S's: A Simple Commute Practice to Meet God at Work 

26:19 — How YOU Can Help Your Church Disciple People for the Workplace

🔗Resources & Links



Want to go deeper? Take the Workmatters Institute Course — a 10-session online course connecting Sunday faith to Monday work. Visit https://www.workmatters.org/our-coursesto get started.


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