Phishing remains cybercrime's primary entry point, but outdated templates and punitive culture fail to stop AI-driven social engineering. In this episode of The Secure Disclosure, host Mackenzie Jackson sits down with Simon Bauwens, co-founder and CEO of Outkept. Simon explains why spotting phishing is a perishable reflex rather than a learned skill, how MFA fatigue leaves organizations vulnerable, and why Outkeep pays a crowdsourced community of ethical phishers based on simulation click rates. Finally, they explore building positive security cultures and play our signature Would You Rather challenge.

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