Waxahatchee Part 2 – The alt-country transformation that changed everything. Rene struggled through the rock-heavy Out in the Storm, but Saint Cloud and Tigers Blood brought him back strong. Hear about producer Brad Cook's impact (MJ Lenderman, Snocaps) and the full-circle Snocaps reunion. Plus, why both hosts independently picked Snocaps for Best of 2025, and Rene's 11-year gap between Katie concerts.

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