Grammy nominated genre-defiers Tegan and Sara have survived scene after scene, reinventing themselves musically throughout decades of worldwide success.

Among other things, Dan, Tegan & Sara chat about Neil Young's soft hands, how queerness has consumed their narrative for most of their careers, how you don't know how to do something until you do it, and how young people should buy a pack of cigarettes (but not smoke them).

This episode features a surprise needle drop of "Dinner For Breakfast" by Heavy Gus.

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