Gianclaudio and Judith talk to Kim van Sparrentak. Kim van Sparrentak is a member of the European Parliament. She has urged for new legislation for a better internet. This legislation might be just around the corner.

We discuss what it means when we say technology is political, and what Kim thinks needs to happen to make social media actually social.

We recorded this conversation in April 2026.

Listener discretion is advised: this episode contains mentions of suicide and violence.

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