How should we understand the moment we're living in? Sarah Wilson is an author, podcaster and philosopher who argues we need to accept that this is a time of profound and inevitable collapse - and that while there is no hope, there is something else happening. Jon hosted Sarah at the Conduit in London for a live conversation that wasn't about elections or citizens' assemblies, but was absolutely about how we save democracy - by showing up, connecting with one another, living fully and beautifully, and building from there.

Chapters

  • (00:00:03) - Introduction to Sarah Wilson and the Book
  • (00:01:25) - The Title: I Eat the Stars
  • (00:03:17) - Defining Societal Collapse
  • (00:04:32) - Complex Civilizations and Collapse Patterns
  • (00:06:32) - Global Interconnection and Climate Origins
  • (00:07:22) - Moving Beyond Climate Framing
  • (00:09:10) - Capitalism, Linear Thinking, and Letting Go of 'We Can Make It'
  • (00:10:41) - The Relief of Letting Go of Hope
  • (00:13:06) - Dissonance, Sanity, and Systemic Blame
  • (00:14:47) - Moloch, Responsibility, and Compassion
  • (00:19:41) - Living with Uncertainty
  • (00:21:58) - Liminal Times Throughout History
  • (00:24:39) - Stepping Into Adulthood
  • (00:25:47) - The Spiritual Turn and Letting Go of Being Saved
  • (00:30:36) - Community Size and the Dunbar Number
  • (00:34:31) - Showing Up and Making Change Contagious
  • (00:37:25) - Charm, Joy, and Community Movements
  • (00:38:53) - What If You're Wrong? Agency and Islands of Sanity
  • (00:42:28) - Closing Reflections: Homecoming and Sacredness
  • (00:44:37) - Audience Soundings Begin
  • (00:45:17) - Audience Questions on Responsibility and Complexity
  • (00:47:41) - Audience Reflections on Uncertainty and History
  • (00:49:11) - Responding to Responsibility and Agency
  • (00:51:37) - Sarah's Personal Journey Through Anxiety
  • (00:55:36) - Managing Complexity and Avoiding Fascism's Vacuum
  • (00:58:14) - Pro-Social Prepping and Personal-Macro Connection
  • (00:59:54) - Closing Call to Action: Care, Dance, and Awe
  • (01:03:27) - Final Thanks and Podcast Sign-off

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