Last summer, Katie and Natalie invited their two widowed friends Phil & Ollie to join them on the podcast to tell their stories of the loss of their partners. They discuss how finding fellow young widows acted as a lifeline and offer advice to those who are looking to find friendships in the grief community.

Trigger warning - as always, the stories covered in this episode may be distressing to listen to, but we feel it's so important that they're shared.

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