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Peter Norvig Disagrees With Yann LeCun. Here’s Why

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Peter Norvig on the future of AI: what experts get wrong, why language models are world models, and what we should learn when AI can write code.


I sat down with the co-author of Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach, written with Stuart Russell, to talk about what more than 40 years in AI have taught him. Including why he once thought ordinary businesses couldn’t possibly get online.


*We discuss:*

- AI agents, from a textbook banner in 1995 to today’s multi-agent systems

- Why he disagrees with Yann LeCun about the path to better world models

- What Google learned from billions of clicks and a handful of detailed observations

- What students should learn when AI can complete the assignment

- Trust, concentrated power, and who benefits from AI

- What should we still be learning? Share your thoughts in the comments.


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*About Peter Norvig*

Peter Norvig is an AI researcher, educator, and co-author with Stuart Russell of Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach, adopted by more than 1,500 schools. His website brings together his books, essays, courses, and programming projects.

Peter’s website: https://www.norvig.com/

Book and learning resources: https://aima.cs.berkeley.edu/


*Chapters*

00:00 Intro: Peter Norvig on 40+ Years of AI

00:58 Why Experts Get the Future Wrong

02:21 How AI Has Changed Since the 1980s

03:33 What AI Students Still Need to Learn

04:42 The Return of AI Agents

06:11 Do We Need Neuro-Symbolic AI?

07:12 Are Language Models World Models?

08:28 What Today’s AI Systems Are Still Missing

10:00 How AI Is Changing Computer Science Education

11:53 Rethinking Assignments and Exams in the AI Era

13:08 What Excites Peter Norvig Most About AI Today

13:27 Teaching Students to Build with AI

14:46 How AI Is Shifting the Balance of Power

16:31 Can We Trust the Leaders of AI Companies?

17:04 Will AI Power Stay Concentrated?

17:54 Final Thoughts


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