How do men learn what consent actually looks like, and who’s supposed to teach them? Director and content creator Brenna Perez returns to push Tim, Rich, and Zak on the Cornell 7 case: whether assault can happen without intent, why “she didn’t say no” isn’t the bar, and what dads owe their sons and daughters before college ever starts.

Brenna and Zak go at it over Shane Gillis’s SNL monologue. Was the backlash worth it, or does that kind of outrage push away men in the middle who might otherwise come around? Brenna argues that calling women whores is part of the same culture that weakens a woman’s “no.” Zak argues the left needs to pick better battles. Neither backs down.Plus: Brenna takes Team Kelly in the Kelly Clarkson vs. Brooklyn Heights shop owner saga.

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