The future of compliance and HR is "wide open," but getting there may require a different way of thinking. Ethico Co-CEO Nick Gallo joins Zach and Hui for a candid conversation about influence, culture, measurement, and the opportunity for both functions to move beyond activities and become more meaningful drivers of organizational success.

The conversation spans culture, influence, board reporting, measurement, and the challenge of moving from activity-based reporting to outcome-based impact. In a lively rapid-fire exchange, Zach, Hui, and Nick debate which practices should be retired, the ideas everyone talks about but few fully embrace, what boards should be asking management, and why the future of compliance and HR may belong to those willing to challenge old assumptions, tell better stories, and make new bets. 

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