Nobody knows what they're doing. Not you, not your heroes, not the guy selling you the answer.
This is a conversation, not an interview. No agenda, no promotion, no guest hitting the same talking points they hit on the last five podcasts. Michael Blevins sits down with Josh Tyler and follows the thread wherever it goes: why every business is selling the feeling of certainty, why you crave a Porsche you don't actually want, why relationships are transactional whether you do the math or not, and what a snow leopard in a dream has to do with any of it.
It ends with a fox, a baby deer, and the hardest thing most people never do: cry out for help.
What this conversation covers:
- The difference between childhood and adulthood is one illusion
- Business as the commodification of certainty
- The striver trap — chasing symbols of safety instead of safety
- Why you can't pay someone to care
- Transactional relationships and the myth of unconditional love
- Reincarnation, non-duality, and whether this is already hell
- The OLLIN origin story — told for the first time
- A snow leopard dream, interpreted live
- The mushroom trip that went wrong on a mountain
- Social media: an unpaid reality show
- The baby deer, the fox, and asking for help
CHAPTERS
0:00 — Pretend business owners: nobody knows what they're doing
1:48 — The only difference between childhood and adulthood
2:26 — The forbidden fruit: knowledge isn't bad, it's heavy
3:30 — Every business sells the feeling of certainty (the Tesla problem)
6:13 — The fighter pilot who didn't want the dream job
7:29 — The striver trap
9:39 — Watches, the Porsche GT3 RS, and symbols of having made it
11:30 — Symbols vs. the genuine article: the process is the thing
14:00 — Everyone lives in a fantasy world. The question is whether others can join 18:00 — "Less than one in a thousand people I actually like"
20:41 — Relationships are transactional. We just don't want to do the math
22:32 — Bandwidth, unconditional love, and Cersei Lannister
28:11 — The biggest metaphysical shift in ten years
31:54 — The wave and the ocean
33:10 — Reincarnation cycles: is this already hell?
39:04 — Rolling with a 350-pound black belt (a metaphor for right now)
40:06 — The rebrand confession
41:29 — The OLLIN origin story: movement, transformation, and the collective voice 53:39 — Digging out a hole you already dug
55:30 — The snow leopard dream
58:34 — Interpreting the dream live
1:03:53 — "I guess I have to get a snow leopard tattoo on my throat" 1:05:45 — Lost on a mountain: the mushroom trip that went black
1:09:28 — Social media is an unpaid reality show
1:10:34 — Content about making content: the Ponzi scheme
1:12:45 — The baby deer and the fox
1:18:14 — Ayahuasca and the moment everything changed: asking for help 1:21:04 — "I'm nature, bitch" — answering the critics
1:25:07 — Next time: the AI conversation
Links Train with OLLIN: www.weareollin.com
Instagram: @gritandteeth
Josh Tyler: www.cinderandsinew.com
