In this episode, Robbie Miles speaks with producer and director Michael Schwartz of Deeper Water Films about the realities of packaging films, attaching cast, navigating Hollywood agencies and building a sustainable producing career.

From his unconventional entry into producing through to working with talent including Sam Worthington, Russell Crowe and Luke Bracey, Mike shares hard-earned lessons about getting projects made in an industry where persistence matters as much as creativity.

Listen to hear Michael talk about:

Why “every film wants to die” and what it takes to keep them alive

Building access, credibility and long-term industry relationships

Packaging films and attaching cast in the independent marketplace

Working with agents, sales companies and financiers

Lessons from projects that almost got made, and why some didn’t


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