Why do so many women suddenly start waking at 3am, even when they're doing everything "right" for their sleep?
In this episode, Rebecca sits down with insomnia specialist Kathryn Pinkham to explore why broken sleep often has far less to do with sleep itself than we think. Together they unpack how stress, hormones, anxiety and the nervous system interact to create chronic sleep problems, and why traditional sleep hygiene often isn't enough to break the cycle.
Kathryn explains how poor sleep becomes conditioned over time, why our thoughts at 3am can accidentally teach the brain to stay alert, and why trying harder to sleep often makes insomnia worse. They also discuss menopause, wearable sleep trackers, nervous system regulation, CBT for insomnia, and the simple mindset shifts that can help retrain the brain for better sleep.
If you've ever dreaded bedtime, found yourself waking between 3am and 4am every night, or felt like you've tried everything without success, this episode offers a completely different perspective on what might really be keeping you awake.
This episode is for:
- Women struggling with 3am wake-ups or broken sleep
- Anyone experiencing insomnia or sleep anxiety
- Women navigating perimenopause or menopause
- People who feel they've tried every sleep tip without success
- Anyone interested in nervous system regulation and circadian health
Those wanting better sleep without becoming obsessed by sleep hygiene
CHAPTERS:
[00:00] Why 3AM Wake-Ups Become A Cycle
[01:11] Meet Insomnia Specialist Kathryn Pinkham
[03:20] What Really Keeps Poor Sleep Going
[04:45] Why Hormones Aren't The Whole Story
[08:08] The Exercise That Stops Sleep Anxiety Taking Over
[12:30] Why Sleep Trackers Can Make Insomnia Worse
[15:12] The Biggest Mistakes People Make Trying To Sleep Better
[16:00] Why Going To Bed Earlier Often Backfires
[18:37] Quality Before Quantity
[19:00] Why Perfect Sleep Hygiene Isn't The Answer
[24:50] The Hidden Role Of Stress And The Nervous System
[29:00] CBT For Insomnia And Changing Your Sleep Identity
[35:00] Learning To Cope With Poor Sleep
[37:00] Regulation, Safety And Calming The Brain
[43:00] The Problem With Rigid Evening Routines
[45:18] What Changes During Perimenopause?
[49:52] The Sleep Advice Most Women Overlook
[54:37] Kathryn's Two Biggest Sleep Tips
[55:50] Where To Find Kathryn Pinkham
CONNECT & LEARN MORE:
Becca Holland
You can connect with me on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and YouTube at @healthwithholland, where I share practical education on nervous system regulation, women's health and sustainable behaviour change.
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You'll also find courses, resources and more podcast episodes at:
https://healthwithholland.com
Kathryn Pinkham
Kathryn Pinkham is an insomnia specialist and founder of The Insomnia Clinic, helping people overcome chronic insomnia using evidence-based approaches, including CBT for insomnia (CBT-I).
She specialises in helping people break the cycle of poor sleep by addressing the thoughts, behaviours and nervous system responses that keep insomnia going, particularly during periods of stress, perimenopause and menopause.
Learn more about Kathryn's work, free resources and programmes at:
https://theinsomniaclinic.co.uk
Follow Kathryn on Instagram:
@theinsomniaclinic
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