In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking whether "gay priests" are even a real thing. What starts as a discussion about labels quickly turns into a much bigger conversation about sexual orientation, Catholic theology, history, identity, and how the Church talks about same-sex attraction.
We unpack the arguments, examine where we think the reasoning breaks down, and discuss why language matters when talking about real people. Along the way we dive into Pope Francis' comments on seminaries, the 2005 Vatican instruction on admitting men with same-sex attraction to the priesthood, ancient Greek sexuality, bisexuality, orientation, and why analogies don't always prove what people think they prove.
00:00 Pride Month Banter 01:06 Reacting to Brian Holdsworth 03:09 Pope Francis Quote Fallout 05:13 Ancient Rome Was Gay 08:20 Labels and Orientation Debate 13:54 Appetites and Identity Claim 17:49 Catholic Analogy Time 22:17 Cravings vs Human Love 25:04 Appetites Make You Gayer 31:55 Short Term Hookups Critique 35:46 Dehumanizing the Gay Label 38:15 Labels and Identity Sprawl 38:52 Paradox of Tolerance Rant 39:51 Honorary Gender Studies 40:38 Dodging the Priest Question 41:16 Chastity vs Gay Label 42:29 Church Policy Contradictions 44:29 Food and Gluttony Analogy 46:50 Spectrum and Ancient World 51:31 Frauds and Sacraments 55:10 Title Not Description Confusion 57:00 Trad Conspiracy Briefcase 01:00:02 Sponsor Break Real Estate 01:01:15 Why Labels Help Research 01:07:29 Why So Many Gay Priests 01:10:50 Growing Up Without Language 01:15:47 Landing the Plane Conclusion
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