Armando is joined by comedian Pierre Novellie this week, and they’re going to have an honest conversation about political capital.

Looking at some of the phrases and language being used around Burnham’s decision to spend his political capital, we look at some of the announcements trailed in the speech, and whether the politics of ‘saying’ now trumps the politics of ‘doing’.

Elsewhere, Armando and Pierre work out the difference between a ‘legitimate concern’ and an ‘understandable concern’, examine Peter Thiel’s defense of evil, and find the most unfortunately named politician in the world.

Got a strong message for Armando? Email us at strongmessagehere@bbc.co.uk

Sound editing: Rich Evans

Production Coordinator: Asha Osborne-Grinter

Executive Producer: Pete Strauss

Recorded at The Sound Company

Produced by Gwyn Rhys Davies. A BBC studios production for Radio 4

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