For three seasons, Alex Louisy has sat on one side of the mic, asking CFOs about the decisions that shaped their careers. In this episode, he switches seats.
Lauren Pearl interviews her own co-host about the company behind The Growth-Minded CFO, and why Upflow spent nearly a decade walking away from the category it set out to build.
In this episode, Alex shares the origin story that started with a failed financing thesis, and led him to a much bigger problem: getting paid is still slow, manual, and completely disconnected from everything else a company does well for its customers.
Because according to Alex, the moment a business sends an invoice is often the worst part of the customer relationship, even when every other touch point has been carefully designed.
The conversation also gets into why "AR Automation" was never the right name for what Upflow built, how a customer's offhand comment reframed the whole category into Financial Relationship Management, and why bringing B2C-grade payment experiences into B2B was never optional.
They also discuss what AI actually changes in collections, why trust matters more than automation, and what it will take for FRM to become as obvious a category as CRM or expense management.
If you are a CFO, finance leader, or founder trying to understand why getting paid deserves the same rigor as getting the sale, this episode is a great place to start.
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