Sean Nelson sits down with John Hodgman, best known as ‘PC’ from Apple’s Get a Mac campaign, to discuss his eclectic career—from literary agent to best-selling author and Daily Show ‘resident expert.’ They dive into the rise of nerd culture, 90s cynicism, and why our dreams for Silicon Valley now feel naive. Hodgman also shares what it’s like to be ‘visually famous’ and how it feels when that fame fades.

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