Lori & Julia break down Madonna's big night at the VMAs, why viewership jumped, and the MTV nostalgia that came with it. Then author Wade Rouse joins the show to talk about his latest book, The Bluff, set on Mackinac Island, and how he writes stories with heart.
Also in this episode: the Minnesota Vikings being the Minnesota Vikings, East of Eden coming to Netflix, Lori's gossip assumptions about Jack Antonoff after seeing Bleachers live, the upcoming Fred Astaire biopic, Margaret Qualley and Sabrina Carpenter, our Paolo Nutini story, and the sad reason the Today Show has been gaining on GMA. Plus a PSA: thank you to Will Reeve for sharing his cancer story and why it will help other young men.
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