As America approaches its 250th anniversary, Mitch Daniels sits down with legal scholar and author Dr. Jeffrey Rosen to explore the enduring constitutional debate that has shaped the nation from its founding to today. Drawing from his new book The Pursuit of Liberty, Rosen traces the long-running clash between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson over national power and states’ rights, executive authority and congressional restraint, liberal and strict constitutional interpretation, and shows how that debate continues to define the Supreme Court’s most consequential cases.

  • Hamilton vs. Jefferson & America’s Founding Debate (01:17)
  • Faith, Reason, & Freedom of Conscience (08:23)
  • Immigration, Birthright Citizenship, & the Fourteenth Amendment (11:27)
  • Polarization, Insurrection, & Historical Perspective (17:59)
  • Progressivism, Executive Power, & the Administrative State (24:47)

The Future of Liberty — Former Indiana governor and Purdue University president Mitch Daniels investigates the prospects for liberty and more through conversations with prominent thinkers and leaders across diverse fields. New episodes are available wherever you listen, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Visit thefutureofliberty.org to learn more.


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