In this Rise and Wander Podcast episode, I talk with Ali Williams, founder of Wayfinder Outdoors, about her experience on the extreme survival show Naked and Afraid in Zambia, where she completed most of the 21-day challenge alone after her partner left on day three. Ali shares what it took to manage fear, sleep deprivation, and real threats from dangerous wildlife while relying on skills like fire building and risk assessment. We discuss the difference between perceived risk and actual risk, the importance of education, redundancy, and community in outdoor safety, and why interdependence matters more than the idea of independence. Ali explains the gap she saw in outdoor recreation that led her to start Wayfinder Outdoors—combining play, wonder, deeper connection to nature, and practical skills like navigation, foraging, shelter, and wilderness medicine.
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