Paula D. Atkinson and Lisa K. Kays discuss why “shoulds” make life miserable—especially amid renewed horror and validation that many systems are corrupt—and argue for resigning from them. Lisa shares a skiing misadventure with her son David that highlights ignoring intuition, safety concerns, and the parenting programming that says kids must finish what they start; they emphasize teaching children to trust their bodies and quit when needed. Paula explains, drawing on Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle, that every “should” is a story arguing with reality and blocks joy, intuition, and love. Lisa critiques therapy “rules” that privilege endless processing, outsource agency, and fixate on “why,” and they connect shoulds to privilege, revolutionary refusal, and being stingy with apologies unless real harm occurred.

00:00 Welcome and Theme

00:23 Why We’re Done With Shoulds

01:32 Ski Trip Gone Wrong

03:54 Let Kids Quit and Trust Vibes

10:18 Movie Pick Women’s Rage

12:32 Resigning From Shoulds

13:40 Shoulds Argue Reality

19:39 Therapy Rules as Shoulds

24:42 Who Benefits From Shoulds

28:24 Choose to Walk Away

28:55 Soup Salad Detour

30:29 Privilege and Shoulds

33:51 Revolutionary No

36:58 Stop Apologizing

40:36 Turning 50 Permission

46:24 What Do You Want

48:19 Quotes on Shoulds

50:30 Nothing Wrong With You

52:43 Final Sign Off

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