Donald Trump was out of office, banned from major social media platforms and facing opposition from inside and outside his own party. Four years later, he was back in the White House. How did it happen—and what changed along the way?

Victor Davis Hanson joins Erick Stakelbeck for a conversation about his new book, The Counter-Revolution: The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA Movement. Hanson lays out how President Trump rebuilt his political movement, what he believes Trump learned during his four years out of office, and why he describes the second Trump administration as a “counter-revolution” aimed at changing institutions that conservatives have long criticized.

From Trump’s political low point to his return to the presidency, Victor Davis Hanson breaks down the story behind one of the most consequential political comebacks in modern American politics.

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