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00:28 Today I'm talking with Nicole at the Happy Hippie Homestead in Kentucky. Good afternoon, Nicole. How are you? Hello. Hello. How's it going? It's going good. The weather here in Minnesota is gray and it's going to start raining again any minute. And I don't know if you know what the weather's been like in Minnesota for the last week and a half, but it's been hot and we have gotten rain every day for the last seven days now.

00:53 It's been kind of like that here, but we've gotten rain the last couple of days, which we're grateful for because the garden could use a good drink. Um, so we're, we're happy that we got some. Yeah. Yeah. It's been like a hundred here. What about you guys? Like humid and hot too? A week ago, Monday. So not three days ago, but a week ago. Um,

01:22 It was really, really muggy. Like it was above tropical dew point. And we don't get that very often in Minnesota. It was a very long, very sloggy day that Monday. That's hard. That's hard. Yep. we get them a lot here. used to that. So yeah, very muggy and humid here in the summer.

01:47 Yeah, it'll be muggy, but it's not like you step outside and you're in the shower. That's how it felt last Monday. Yeah. It was gross. My dog was very unhappy all day. She's a, an Australian shepherd and she has the real thick curly hair. Oh yeah. And oh she laid around all day and every time I would walk by her, she'd just look up at me like, mom fix it. Oh yeah.

02:16 Our dogs like to go out for a little, you know, runs around the big backyard, but then, you know, are happy to come back in because it's just too much sometimes. yeah. She, usually if I let her out, she'll go out in the grass and she'll do her rolly pollies. So she rolled around on her back and her tummy and, she just hangs out for maybe 15 minutes. And I let her out that day at about two o'clock in the afternoon. She walked out to the edge of the cement pad, got on the grass.

02:46 and immediately came back up the steps to be let back in. No laying in the grass, no roly-poly's. I was like, oh, it must be really miserable for you because this is not your routine. So yeah, it's been bad. um But our gardens are really liking the heat and then the little bit of rain every day. So I'm very excited about our gardens this year. Oh, that's nice. That's always so good.

03:14 when you have your garden going nice, you know. Oh, it looks so pretty right now. It is so gorgeous. And every time I look at it, I'm just like, please hang in there. Just keep going. Keep going. I want many, many tomatoes this year. Please. I I beg my garden to behave, you know. Yes, it's yeah, it's interesting. We work because we're always like if we.

03:43 plant too early, you know, and then it gets real hot and humid and then you get like, you know, you could get blight or whatever. So you try to, you know, time it. So things are looking pretty good right now. So we're hoping, we're hoping that's a good mater year. Yeah. The last two summers have been not good for us. So the fact that we have over 190 tomato plants in the garden right now looking healthy and happy.

04:09 is a very welcome site and we thought we were going to lose those because we had early blight. But somehow, somehow they recovered. I don't know how. I think the good Lord said, you guys had miserable summers. The last two summers were tomatoes. I'm going to fix your plants. I was like, thank you. Thank you. So, so tell me a little bit about yourself and what you do at Happy Hippie Homestead.

04:35 So um we grow all kinds of vegetables. We have a no-till garden. um We use all the animal waste and compost it and put that back into the garden. And we don't do sprays or anything. And we also use all the wasted hay to mulch the garden.

05:02 kind of use like the roost out or the lasagna method if you're familiar with that. em And tell me what it is for the listener though if you want to talk about. Oh yes, yes. So it's basically where you, you know, just keep piling up plant matter and compost and it's a good weed preventative when you do that, but it also helps to keep the moisture in the ground and keeps the ground a little bit cooler.

05:31 which is nice when we have summers like what we were talking about. So the ground doesn't get too hot and dry out. And then it helps um also with erosion. And it's something that, you know, we really don't want to go out and have to weed um constantly or, you know, do any tilling. So it really helps, you know, if you just keep piling your hay on there, it helps to prevent all that. um

06:00 And it also can help to keep pests down. So, you you just mulch very heavily around the plants and it makes it, you know, a little more challenging for the pests to take over. You know, gives the plants kind of time to take a foothold. But we do, you know, try to get out and we do...

06:24 do a lot of succession planting. So we try to just keep things going for all season. One of the things we grow here is an organic garlic that we've grown and saved seeds from for the whole time we lived here 13 years.

06:44 That's really interesting. We also raise Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats and make cheeses and soaps and other products like, you know, make some Kehita caramel and yogurts and different products also make some like sugar scrubs and stuff with the goat milk. And we have chickens.

07:14 and mostly for eggs, we will, you know, sometimes for meat too. And we just mostly do it for our own enjoyment and because we want to eat really good, high quality food and we just really love, um you know, interacting with our property. We also raise bees and harvest honey and it's just interesting.

07:43 to kind of be, you know, you're kind of like the caretaker of an ecosystem. And so we really just enjoy and it's just, you know, me and my husband and we do everything mostly with physical labor. We don't have a tractor. So it kind of helped to keep us physically fit too as a, like an extra bonus.

08:11 pretty much working out all day every day and just getting to be outside. It's just something that we do that we love. It's fun. When did you start doing this? Well, um we've been married for over 20 years and at our old house, had our whole backyard was basically a garden. I had grown up in a garden because my grandmother always had a garden. um

08:40 So it's just something that I've done my whole life. I picked strawberries and beans and everything out of her garden and she would always can. My grandfather was a doctor and I didn't really know at the time, but looking back, he really emphasized your diet and nutrition and to make sure that you got.

09:08 you know, the vitamins and minerals that you needed. And I just realized that they, you know, showed me all that through their gardening. And they always grew me pumpkins and things. And so I've just always loved, you know, to grow stuff.

09:29 He was a wise man. Yes, he was. They were different. You know, the old school doctors and I've had some really good old school vets that, you know, have been phenomenal. And that's really what everything, you know, everything is based on, you know, the nutrition and the management. And that's, you know, really what we focus on here.

09:58 because we want to maintain the soil health and we want uh like all the animals and the humans that live here to be able, you know, to thrive in the conditions. And we, we do a lot of rotational grazing. uh We do a lot of stuff with the goats up in the woods where we help to maintain the native plants and eat back a lot of the invasives.

10:29 um We appreciate that the goats mow for us a lot, so we don't really have to use a lot of, you know, like mechanical efforts, don't have to put pressure on the property like that as much. And it helps to save them fuel costs. So I have a question that I haven't asked yet of people who have goats, and I should have asked it many, many episodes ago. Do you think that

10:59 the work that your goats do for you offset what it costs to feed them.

11:06 I mean, in so many ways, you know, there's just the aspect of being around them. Sure. You know, helps to help you to connect with your own nervous system and to be able to regulate it. And I mean, also teach yoga, not goat yoga, just traditional

11:35 Angar style Hatha yoga. And you know, for me, just being around the animals is very relaxing. I mean, of course it can be very stressful at times when you're dealing with something, but just the day to day routine of being around them, you know, just makes our lives more content.

12:03 But yes, I mean, they fertilize the property. That's why we do the rotational grazing so we can, you know, just kind of move them around and.

12:15 They're just, you know, they really help to maintain the property. You know, you would really be amazed. And we've done some videos on our page, you know, like take them on morning turnout and take a little video and then compare it to video just a few hours later where they've completely eaten back, you know, a section of the tree line.

12:42 So yes, I mean, who wants to go out to a tree line and try to beat it back with, you know, so yes, the goats do a tremendous amount for our property and for us, you know. I kind of thought that would be your answer, but I wanted to hear it from your mouth because I keep meaning to ask people this and I forget. And part of the reason that I asked is because we have 12 or 14 chickens right now.

13:12 I tried to get my husband to up the price because we sell them for five. We sell the eggs for five dollars a dozen. I was like, you you could sell them for six dollars a dozen. We've been selling them for five dollars a dozen for years. And he was like, no. And I said, OK, you rarely ever just flat saying, no, what you're thinking. And he said, I don't want to give out specifics, he said, but they are paying for themselves.

13:39 They are supporting themselves by selling the eggs at $5 a dozen. I said, oh, by how much? And he said, more than half.

13:51 said, oh, okay. And he said, we want our neighbors to have good eggs. He said, I don't want to charge our neighbors another dollar to get good eggs. I said, that is your baby. You decide that that is fine. So I'm not pushing anymore. Now I would like to circle back because to add on to the answer to your question. Sure. There is a point where there would be too many.

14:21 goats. oh that's something that each property has a certain amount of pressure from livestock that it can take without it starting to be in the detrimental zone. that's part of it too. try to maintain a balance and be very specific about the size of our herd because that can get

14:49 very out of control very quickly um when you're breeding. you want to make sure that you keep it a manageable amount, not only for the pressure just on the ground, but also the parasite load. And we also try to breed for parasite and disease resistance.

15:18 So, you know, all of that is a delicate balance too. And, you know, everybody has to decide for, you know, for their own farms, what is that number? um So that it does stay in some sort of uh you know, favor.

15:38 Yeah, that does make sense. Absolutely. So I have a question about predators in Kentucky, because oh I'm in Minnesota. The only real predator we have in southwest Minnesota is coyotes, and coyotes are shoot on site here. So what do you guys have in Kentucky? Anything? Well, I might get a little bit of blowback for my answer, but I don't.

16:03 I don't have the same ideas about coyotes. I feel like they show a good ecosystem. My parents were cattle farmers and we live next door to a dairy. We never have any sort of issue with coyotes. And honestly, I can say that, I don't know, we live on like a one lane road with all cattle farms and I don't know one farmer that's ever lost one to a coyote.

16:33 So they're not an issue for you guys.

16:38 I mean, no. what would be a problem would be black vulture. People do have problems with them. And there are, you know, different predators, of course, for the chickens and stuff. But the way I look at it is I'm here in nature.

17:00 We're surrounded by nature and we're in, you know, the animals ecosystem as much as they're in ours. Okay. And it's our responsibility as the caretakers to take care of our chickens. So we don't leave our chickens out, you know, unattended at night or out, you know, we have them in a predator proof coop in at night and then they can go out during the day. And then we have some movable fences for them.

17:30 And you know, but what I'm saying is it's my responsibility to take care of the animals and make sure that I predator proof my areas because I have to realize that they live here and they also have a purpose. em You know, a lot of those coyotes eat other different vermin that may or may not carry disease. And we also don't want

17:59 those vermin to be overpopulated on our property as much as we don't want too many goats or we want to keep everything in a balance. So everything has its own purpose. that why you thought you'd get blowback because you're saying that you don't want to deal with the predators because they have just as much right to be there as you do? I mean, it's just a different take. A lot of times people don't necessarily understand or agree with that stance, but

18:28 I always feel like there's always people so worried about coyotes and I've been around a long time. I don't really know farmers that are having a problem with coyotes. Sure, I think that it's overblown. I think that the worry is overblown if you will make sure that you have some good enclosures for your animals. It's a non-issue, I guess is what I'm saying.

18:56 The fences are your responsibility, our responsibility. And I don't have any coyotes climbing over my fences or anything. So you know what I'm saying? just have a different take on how I interact with predators. Sure. Yes. em And we haven't had any coyote issues here at our property. But coyotes.

19:25 are definitely, there's a lot of them in our area. And if we didn't take care of our chickens, if we didn't have a good fence for our chicken run, and if we didn't have a good chicken coop, we probably wouldn't have any chickens, because the coyotes would be availing themselves of Yeah, definitely. I know what you're saying. And the pests that we have actually had issues with,

19:52 is raccoons. lost raccoons last year, or chickens, raccoons last year. Because we had the corner of the fence had come loose and we didn't know the chicken fence. And we lost like five chickens one night, two, a mama raccoon and her four babies. Oh yeah, that's never fun. My husband was like, should I, you know, shoot them? And I was like, no.

20:22 And he said, why not? I said, because if you fix the fence, they will go away. They will find an easier food source. Yeah, exactly. And he fixed the fence and they left. They didn't stay because there was no food source for them. Exactly. So I'm with you. I am not pushing back. I'm agreeing with you. Yes, yes. What about snakes? see it a lot. poisonous snakes. We... Oh, I was just saying, we just see it a lot here. Everybody's just like, you know.

20:52 ah hunt them down and try to get rid of them. And I think the evidence for that shows that if you try to take all the coyotes out, you're going to have a bigger problem with other ones coming into the territory. um So that's an interesting thing too. Yes, we do have poisonous snakes here. Luckily, I don't encounter very many of them, but yes, we do.

21:22 What do you have? Copperheads? Copperheads, rattlesnakes. uh I have seen a rattlesnake, not on our property, but somewhere else nearby. And I don't know if I've seen a copperhead here, but we've seen a lot of other snakes here. And we mostly try to leave them alone too. um We would like

21:52 relocate them, know, if we find one nearby. But yeah, we don't really worry about them either because again, I think they do a great job getting, you know, some of the other varmint too. Nature has a system and it's worked for a very long time.

22:15 agree. We just keep messing with it. And if we'd stop messing with it, maybe things would be a little bit better. Maybe. And that's kind of what our take is. You know, we want people to look at different ways you can do things. And it doesn't have to be, you know, everybody doing the same things. em

22:40 But you can also learn stuff from different people doing stuff differently too.

22:48 And that's one of the interesting things about social media, you know, is you can get a lot of different really great ideas, you know, from other people.

22:59 I agree, however, I have a caveat. yes. You live in Kentucky. I live in Minnesota. Your growing season is completely different than mine. You have things that grow in Kentucky that will not grow in Minnesota. I bet we have stuff in Minnesota that won't grow in Kentucky. Absolutely. So you're going to take advice from somebody on social media,

23:26 I see good to talk to somebody near where you live. Yes, it can be. It can be. um

23:38 I also think that you can experiment. Like I've had friends in California that we sent each other different varieties of things and tried to grow them. You might be able to get into some really cool experiments like that too. And just try it. That's one of my big philosophies is like,

24:00 People are so afraid to fail or make a mistake. I mean, I do trials all the time, because my mom was a science teacher. And you have to do the experiment without the attachment to a particular result. But sometimes I'll do trials in the garden, like, um...

24:26 Okay, we did a parsnip trial. You know, well, the parsnips, what will they do if we just let them re-seed and, or we'll do like, does the rhubarb like to be here or here in the garden? Or, you know, you try different things and just be open to the different answers. I think the trying to force everything or like force the square peg into the round hole.

24:57 You know, sometimes that can mess stuff up, but if you're open to like other possibilities, things might work out even better. Absolutely. Yes. I think that experimentation is super fun. But I also think that if you are going to outlay a lot of money for a new thing, talk to your area so that you don't end up losing out on that, because that can get real spendy really fast.

25:27 Yes, um but that's smart for like anything I think to be like, let me see this in person and how this works, which would probably be more like getting a mentor. You know, like when we got bees, we got a mentor and got into a group. And I think it's a good point you bring up because you should also do a lot of research about animals or things that you're going to get because they're living beings and they deserve that. ah

25:57 So like I do not recommend like buying a goat if you live in Kentucky from somebody from California and you've never had a goat and you don't know what you're doing and you can't get hands on, you know, mentorship or help. So a lot of times I've met a lot of really good people at farmers markets. I've been involved with like our local extension service. I was in a bee group and I always

26:25 do best when I have like some hands on instruction. Like I have somebody in person, you know, that taught us how to, how to slaughter chickens. I, you know, I trim horse hooves. you know, I had somebody show me in person how to do that. So like for me, that's the way I learned and I really, you know, highly recommend that so that you can get some in-person feedback too.

26:56 But like I wouldn't buy a car from New York without going to see the car probably either, you know? So I don't think it's just farming. It's like everything, you know, for me, if you're going to spend a lot of money on something, you know, to do a lot of research. Yep. I'm always telling people when they come up with a brilliant idea to see who else has done the brilliant idea and ask questions. Yes. I think that's great advice.

27:26 because it's so hard when you're so excited about something and you get sunk into it and then something goes wrong and you're disappointed. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't have disappointment. I think that it teaches us something. But if you can avoid the real pain and the sticking points because you did your research, I think that's a good plan. Yes.

27:54 And some things are unavoidable. There is going to be uh disappointments if you do this kind of thing a long enough time. There really isn't any escaping that. So it's kind of like, what do do with the disappointment? Yeah, hopefully you learn from it and do something differently the next time.

28:23 Yes, because everybody's going to make mistakes. And I think that's part of it too. Like, people don't always talk about it, you know, because you're afraid you'll be judged, maybe. You know, I know I've been, you know, in those places before where I didn't want to, but it's like, you know, everybody is learning at their own pace. And sometimes you're going to make mistakes and sometimes they're stupid.

28:49 you know, stupid mistakes that you could have avoided, but hopefully you won't do them twice. And yeah, yeah. And sometimes you do, sometimes you do uh do a dumb thing more than once also.

29:09 you hopefully you learn then, I mean, you know, everybody, I think that that's one thing that goes on is, you know, there's a lot of, especially on social media where people feel like, you know, they can't really be honest and that's why I think you get all the highlight reels from everybody and stuff and they don't talk about like the hard stuff all the time because

29:37 I don't know what people think if everybody just thinks like all of the homesteads are Martha Stewart has a barn or something. don't know. You know, it's it's like everybody is just trying to do what they can the best that they can. Hopefully.

29:56 And you know, nothing's perfect. None of us are perfect. And we just try to do what we can, you know? Yeah, I had up until two Sunday mornings ago, I had a row of six beautiful apple trees. I now have a row of five beautiful apple trees because one snapped off in a storm two Sundays ago. And of course, it's right in the middle of the row. So now my perfect line of six trees is a perfect row of five.

30:26 I don't care because we still have five apple trees and it looks really weird. It looks like it's got a missing tooth. But it's cute. But it's okay. Yeah. And I was just It's like character, know. Yeah, I used to think like that too or whatever. You know, like our

30:50 You know, we've lived here while so our fences aren't perfect anymore. And, you know, some of them have been had to be patched and some of them aren't perfectly painted. I mean, I don't really want to be around people that are judging me because I need to paint a panel on my fence. Like I really don't. That's not the kind of vibe that, you know, I'm interested in. So it's OK. Like, I feel like we all probably judge ourselves.

31:19 any, you know, for all that anyways. And, you know, are you saying we're our own worst enemies, Nicole? Yes, I am. mean, it, I think you can be. And I think that that's a whole nother thing too, you know, about self-talk, you know, and that's, that's the mental health aspect that you can really work on if you're paying attention. um

31:49 when you're farming. It gives you a lot of opportunities to change your mindset because you simply can't do it if you can't change your mindset. You cannot have the type of endurance and stamina if you don't have some sort of hope. How could you keep doing it? I feel like it's really hard to be type A on a homestead.

32:19 Well, I'm doing it. Yeah, but I'm saying type A typically means that you're more of a perfectionist. And I think that if you are trying to be a perfectionist on a homestead, you're going to drive yourself insane. I think that's a perfect thing for a type A personality because you need to know that perfectionism is like an obsession for the unobtainable. Yeah.

32:48 It's just you couldn't ever do it. And you most type A people like us need that type of lesson. And that's one of those lessons you might need to experience it a few times before it's really like, it's really okay that all my zinnias are not 1.5 inches apart or whatever it's nobody who is measuring this.

33:18 Um, other than us, you know, so I think you have, have to be easier on ourselves, but not that easy. You know, that's about, that's a balance too. The thing that I have learned the most from living here for almost six years is that you have to learn acceptance of what nature plans, not what you plan. Yes. um

33:47 The reason I'm saying this is one of our female barn cats had kittens July 4th. We know that because she was pregnant on July 3rd and the morning of July 4th she was no longer pregnant and she was due. She was ready to pop. She is not a super friendly barn cat. She is okay with people but she's not going to take us to see her babies. And you can usually tell a mom a cat because you can see her teats.

34:17 Well, there's no evidence that she's nursing babies. We're we think that she probably does not have surviving kittens. Oh, hot as it's been. Maybe they couldn't regulate their temperature. We don't know. And I have been looking forward to this batch of kittens since May. Yeah, And I'm I'm like really torn about this because

34:46 If these babies had been born and survived, this would be a really rough stretch for them because it's been so hot. And I may be pleasantly surprised. She may bring out three or four kittens in four weeks and they're fine. Don't know. But the uncertainty of a lot of things on a homestead will drive you insane. I'm just accepting the fact that if she didn't have surviving kittens,

35:15 There's a reason. And if she comes out of the barn with three or four kittens in four weeks, I will be so happy to see them and I will name every single one of them. Aww.

35:28 We had something like that happen last year where we had a broody hen and she sat, you know, and then none of the eggs were good because it was so hot. And so we had to throw them out, but she ended up having another, you know, clutch. She said another clutch of eggs and. But yeah, I know what you mean. It was very, you know, discouraging when we were like, oh, you know, we thought she was going to have.

35:57 babies and not one, know, and, you never know, it can happen later, you know. Yep. It is absolutely a lesson in patience and acceptance. And if you can't open your palms to the sky and say, thy will be done, you can't do this. It will put you under so much anxiety and stress that you will just give up.

36:26 Yeah, puts you in a position where you have to really, but I mean, I think that's life. You know, I think that's just life. That is a huge part of it. And I think as we get older, you know, we start to be able to cultivate more of those qualities too. Yup. I've learned a thing through a few podcasts and a few books lately that emotion

36:55 is a very strong driver for behavior. But if you can get through the first 90 seconds of your feelings, take a breath and count to 10, your brain will regulate itself and then you can think and you can move forward. That's what I've learned lately. I like it. And 90 seconds is a very long time to be feeling angry or sad or scared. But if there's no

37:25 imminent danger to you to you bodily if you hang in for a minute and a half It's okay, and there's tricks It's like if you can name five things you can see four things you can hear three things you can smell Two things you can touch one thing. I don't know whatever it is. It's it's a way of grounding yourself in that 90 seconds

37:50 I like it. Yeah, I like that. The human brain is insane. It's it is so weird how it's all driven by your environment and your brain will trick you into thinking that things are worse than they are. Yeah, because because for a long time humans had two responses fight or flight.

38:17 We don't necessarily have to fight or run anymore. We just have to sit in how we feel and get through it.

38:25 Yeah, and I mean the nutrition and what we feed ourselves is the basis for a lot of those chemical reactions too. And I mean there's a lot of evidence that just, you know, being able to be outside on the soil, you know, has good bacteria that really helps, helps your mental health as well. And, you know, of course your gut health is very linked to, you know, to your brain.

38:52 And that was another thing my grandfather taught me. I always thought this was so, you know, like as a kid, he would be like, how's your BM, you know, bowel movement. And he was basically taught me that like, if, if that is not, that is the one of the first places that you can see a problem. And we, we always look at all the animals poop.

39:16 We know what everybody's should look like. And that's the first place that you'll see something is a rye, you know, but the gut is basically, you know, I mean, that's, it's, it's everything. I mean, it's the motor, um, and the digestion and making sure to get rid of the toxins. And it's, you know, it's very interesting. So, you know, he taught me a lot, but I don't really know.

39:44 then but I can look back on it and just be like, yep.

39:49 And that's so important, you know, to have your body functioning optimally when you're doing this, because a lifestyle like what we do, you know, in 100 degree heat and freezing temperatures, I mean, that will wear you down if, you know, if you can't maintain everything working in your body and keep yourself in a good state of homeostasis. absolutely. I'm really glad

40:18 that it's your grandpa that you're talking about? Yes. I'm really glad that you remember the things that he taught you. Yeah. I was able to spend a lot of time with both sets of my grandparents and that was really important to me that my grandmothers both taught me how to cook. And I think that really um just really started my love of food. And I mean, then I

40:45 you know, you're able to really get that connection when you grow the food and then you can prepare it. So, I mean, our garden is a sensory experience, you know, just as much as it is, you know, a culinary um experience to be able to just go out and all the colors and the smells and the scents and the flavors of everything. And we grow all heirloom varieties.

41:15 So it's just fabulous, all the different uh forums that the beautiful food comes in. Really amazing. Preacher to the choir, darlin', I am right there with you. ah I try to keep these to half an hour. We are now 11 minutes over that and I am good with that. This was really fun. Where can people find you, Thank you. You can find us at Happy Hippie Homestead on Facebook.

41:45 We're the one in Kentucky with the goats. We're the original Happy Hippie Homestead. All right. As always, people can find me at a tinyhomesteadpodcast.com. Nicole, I hope you have a lovely evening and thank you again. Thank you.

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