In this conversation, Gordon Brewer and I meet up again on his channel to explore what actually creates movement in narcissistic relationships—especially when traditional approaches like arguing, explaining, or “proving your point” only seem to make things worse. We talk about how shifting away from labels and facts toward moment-to-moment process, containment, and curiosity can de-escalate conflict and open space for real change, whether you’re a partner, a therapist, or someone beginning to recognize these patterns in yourself. {REBROADCAST}
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