Jez (https://x.com/izebel_eth) discusses how crypto's PMF is financial speculation, and how one can make money off of his "long degeneracy" thesis. He shares lessons learned from past blowups and how a retail investor can navigate the MMORPG that is crypto.

He also explains the mechanics behind his new experimental project, papertrade (https://x.com/papertrade_xyz) on HyperEVM. He's a great example of a degen making it in crypto, and we can all learn a thing or two from Jez about building conviction. After all, why would you ever put capital behind your second best idea?

Recorded October 6, 2026 at Token2049 in Singapore.

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Timestamps:

0:00 Bull or Bear Market?

3:51 How Jez Got into Crypto

10:20 Long Degeneracy

18:21 Building Conviction & Risk Management


28:37 Importance of Finding Your Group

34:07 Learning from Past Blowups

41:48 Launching papertrade

55:48 Are Great Traders Born or Made?

1:01:31 Most Memorable Trades

1:07:20 Why is Leverage so Addicting?

1:10:26 How to Make it This Cycle

1:22:45 Final Words of Advice

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