Itay Peled (Project Perception) and Yuri Diogenes (Defender for Cloud) on the two sides of AI in security: using AI to defend, and securing the AI everyone is deploying. Recorded live at Workplace Ninja Summit 2026 with Frans Oudendorp and Alex Verboon.
In this episode
- Why "AI for security" and "security for AI" are different problems that you can't solve separately
- Exposure management for agents: an agent that was never meant to be internet-facing can still be reachable through an attack path
- Prompt injection and indirect prompt injection as the big threat to agents, and why MITRE ATLAS is worth knowing
- How attackers use AI today: more scale, and digging deeper than they could before
- Agent sprawl: start with an inventory through AI security posture management, and give every agent an identity in Entra so Conditional Access applies
- Agent 365 as the control plane, Defender as the security view, and why data classification has to be in place before you point an agent at SharePoint
- Project Perception is read-only today: it recommends and explains, and a human takes the action
- Careers: admins and analysts won't be replaced but will need new skills, and why soft skills and in-person networking still matter
Chapters
00:00 Welcome: Itay Peled and Yuri Diogenes
01:52 AI for security vs. security for AI
04:55 Exposure management for AI agents
06:37 Prompt injection and MITRE ATLAS
09:13 How attackers use AI today
10:24 Agent inventory and agent identities
13:07 Agent 365, Defender and data protection
17:55 Human in the loop: when the agent is wrong
19:08 Will AI replace admins and analysts?
25:06 Yuri's 35 books, soft skills and networking
29:56 What Itay wants asked at the AMA
Guests
Itay Peled – Microsoft Security Research, working on Project Perception, Microsoft's agentic SOC
Workplace Ninja Summit 2026: Project Perception / agentic SOC · Threat landscape · Microsoft Security AMA
Yuri Diogenes – Microsoft, customer experience engineering for Defender for Cloud and exposure management
Workplace Ninja Summit 2026: AI-SPM & Threat Detection · Proactive Security Posture Management
Hosts
Frans Oudendorp & Alex Verboon
Recorded at Workplace Ninja Summit 2026 in Baden, Switzerland.
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