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This week I'm bringing back a conversation that has stayed with me since we first recorded it, and repositioning it inside our Building Your New Normal arc, because it's the piece that unlocks what this quarter is really about.

My guest is Leonore Tjia, a field guide to the inner world who helps people transform their emotional and relational patterns. Full disclosure: Leonore has also been my therapist for the last seven years.

We talk about Type C patterns, the conflict avoidance, people pleasing, and emotional suppression many high achievers live inside without naming it. And we talk about the shift Leonore and I call moving from Type C to Type D: learning to differentiate instead of merge, to hold a boundary without losing the relationship, and to let your own needs matter as much as everyone else's.

If you've ever wondered what a real transformation journey looks like from the inside, not the highlight reel version, this is it.

In This Episode

  • Where empathy and high sensitivity come from, and why they can be both a gift and a liability
  • The difference between merging with someone and truly meeting them
  • Four ways Type C patterns show up specifically in relationships
  • What it actually feels like to move from Type C to Type D

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