“Meat proxy” is a new term coined to describe someone who acts as a human conduit for material generated by AI. Software engineer Niklas Gruhn, who came up with the phrase, joins Will Oremus of The Atlantic and Fortune’s Diane Brady to discuss how much AI is being used in journalism and when readers should be told about it.

Five years after US troops withdrew from Afghanistan and the Taliban returned to power, Lyse Doucet has been back in the country, including visiting one of the secret schools set up for girls. BBC News’ Chief International Correspondent discusses what it takes to report from Afghanistan now, the restrictions she encountered and the difficult decisions involved in protecting contributors.

Presenter: Ros Atkins Producer: Lisa Jenkinson Content Producer: Lucy Wai Junior Production Coordinator Apprentice: Cameron Taylor Technical Coordinator: Christopher Brown Sound: Michael Campbell

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