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Why the CIA President Says "It Depends" on Culinary School | Michiel Bakker

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Should you go to culinary school? The most honest answer we got all year: "It depends."

In this episode of Fugitive Chefs, I sit down with Michiel Bakker, the sixth president of the Culinary Institute of America, to talk about the future of culinary education — and what culinary expertise looks like in 2035.

Before leading the world's most influential culinary college, Michiel spent 12 years at Google building their Food at Work program, and 17 years before that in global hotel operations with Starwood. His path into food education wasn't a straight line, and that's exactly why this conversation matters: he's spent his career at the intersection of hospitality, technology, and now higher education.

In this episode, we explore:

  • Why "it depends" might be the most honest answer to "should I go to culinary school?"
  • Michiel's Vision 2035 — and what he hopes the food industry looks like a decade from now
  • Why AI could kill creativity for chefs, or free them to be more creative than ever
  • The industry's shared responsibility around diet-related disease
  • Why stackable credentials and short-form courses may replace the traditional 4-year degree
  • What CIA looks for in educators — practitioners vs. traditional academics
  • The transferable skills chefs don't realize they already have
  • Why Michiel believes the future workforce will be human, AI agent, and robot — all at once

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