A trillion-dollar company. Two women who worked inside it, years apart. And the exact same warnings, ignored twice.
 
This episode traces Frances Haugen, the Facebook product manager who walked out with a phone full of leaked documents and wiped six billion dollars off the company's share price in a single day, and Sarah Wynn-Williams, Facebook's former global policy chief, whose tell-all memoir Careless People landed her in emergency arbitration and a gag order so strict she's legally barred from discussing her own book.

We cover the Instagram research on teenage girls, the Myanmar crisis both women separately flagged, China, Cross-Check, the Capitol riot, and the 2026 courtroom reckoning that's cost Meta over seventeen billion dollars so far.

One whistleblower built a legal shield before she ever spoke. The other found out, too late, exactly how exposed she'd left herself. Coincidence, or exactly the pattern you'd expect from a company this size?
 

Topics Included

  • Frances Haugen's path from Google and Pinterest to Facebook's Civic Integrity team
  • The leaked internal research on Instagram's effect on teenage girls' body image
  • Cross-Check (XCheck) and the rules that didn't apply to Facebook's most powerful users
  • The Capitol riot, the Facebook Files, and Facebook's rebrand to Meta
  • Meta's 2026 courtroom reckoning: Section 230, the New Mexico and Los Angeles verdicts, and the $17.1 billion settlement
  • Sarah Wynn-Williams' six years as Facebook's global policy chief, and the Myanmar and China allegations in her book
  • The arbitration order and gag order that followed her memoir, Careless People
  • Arturo Bejar's testimony, and what happened to Meta's stock price after the settlement

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